1 00:00:24,987 --> 00:00:28,257 The following dramatic presentation It is a work of fiction. 2 00:00:28,311 --> 00:00:30,152 Inspired by recent events 3 00:00:30,187 --> 00:00:32,277 in Newfoundland and in elsewhere in Canada 4 00:00:32,366 --> 00:00:34,559 but it is not a reconstitution of some real event. 5 00:00:34,694 --> 00:00:37,773 The characters, places and dialogues of this drama they do not intend... 6 00:00:37,809 --> 00:00:41,070 represent reality, personalities, actions or words 7 00:00:41,105 --> 00:00:43,757 from anyone alive or dead. 8 00:01:31,467 --> 00:01:34,696 The Children of Saint Vincent 15 years later 9 00:01:35,397 --> 00:01:36,997 Translation:Virtualnet. 10 00:02:22,611 --> 00:02:25,461 At least do your homework. 11 00:02:25,888 --> 00:02:28,938 I see your drawings. You can improve. 12 00:02:33,376 --> 00:02:35,923 Dad said that We would go skating, you know. 13 00:02:36,325 --> 00:02:38,225 - Is it true? -Yeah. 14 00:02:41,206 --> 00:02:43,972 Very good. 15 00:02:44,096 --> 00:02:48,080 -What did you expect? -Well, then, how are you doing? 16 00:02:48,711 --> 00:02:52,320 -Do you want help? -I don't think so. 17 00:02:52,354 --> 00:02:55,174 -I just asked, I just asked. -All good. 18 00:02:55,207 --> 00:02:58,274 Chantal? Here it says a pinch. 19 00:02:58,304 --> 00:03:00,657 -How much is that? -Let's see. 20 00:03:00,793 --> 00:03:04,307 What do you think is a pinch? 21 00:03:08,147 --> 00:03:12,409 -Relax. -I think it will be fine. 22 00:03:12,541 --> 00:03:15,257 It's true. Yes it's okay. 23 00:03:15,390 --> 00:03:18,007 -I answer. -I'm going too. 24 00:03:18,108 --> 00:03:19,208 Slow down, guys! 25 00:03:19,343 --> 00:03:22,110 It must be the delivery man, He came to bring the newspaper. 26 00:03:22,213 --> 00:03:23,610 It's true. 27 00:03:23,935 --> 00:03:26,616 It's for you, dad. 28 00:03:28,248 --> 00:03:31,013 Are you Peter Lavin? 29 00:03:32,060 --> 00:03:34,995 I'm Detective Owen, from the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary. 30 00:03:34,996 --> 00:03:36,392 Can we come in? 31 00:03:36,626 --> 00:03:38,297 Yes, of course. Forward. 32 00:03:38,430 --> 00:03:40,930 Children, Go help your mother. 33 00:03:42,365 --> 00:03:43,679 What is the problem? 34 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:44,978 we have an order detention, sir. 35 00:03:44,979 --> 00:03:46,278 You have the right to remain silent. 36 00:03:46,316 --> 00:03:48,718 Don't wait for help or favors, 37 00:03:48,719 --> 00:03:50,319 and don't be afraid of some threat. 38 00:03:50,357 --> 00:03:53,903 You have the guaranteed right to Consult a lawyer immediately. 39 00:03:53,904 --> 00:03:55,902 Everything you say can be used as evidence. 40 00:03:56,233 --> 00:03:58,846 I have orders to take him back to San John. 41 00:03:59,047 --> 00:04:01,247 Sorry, but this is ridiculous. 42 00:04:01,675 --> 00:04:04,893 I have not gone to Saint John ten years ago. 43 00:04:05,028 --> 00:04:09,504 �You were the Superintendent of the Saint Vincent Orphanage in 1975? 44 00:04:12,316 --> 00:04:16,246 - Bring your coat, please? - Wait a moment. 45 00:04:16,379 --> 00:04:18,813 -What is the position? -Affront to modesty. 46 00:04:18,814 --> 00:04:20,912 physical aggression, attempted rape. 47 00:04:21,446 --> 00:04:23,160 I'm sorry but it has to come with us, sir. 48 00:04:23,161 --> 00:04:24,459 Maybe you want to take some things. 49 00:04:24,594 --> 00:04:25,977 -Peter, what is this? -Chantal, please. 50 00:04:26,102 --> 00:04:29,603 Take the children to the kitchen. I'm going to pack. 51 00:04:29,741 --> 00:04:32,402 I'm sorry, sir. I have to accompany him to his room. 52 00:04:32,403 --> 00:04:34,402 -Correct. -No! 53 00:04:35,313 --> 00:04:37,076 Peter? 54 00:04:37,107 --> 00:04:39,486 What is happening? 55 00:04:41,427 --> 00:04:44,893 Peter, what is happening? 56 00:04:45,028 --> 00:04:47,577 -Please respond. -I don't know. 57 00:04:47,703 --> 00:04:49,939 These gentlemen They came from Newfoundland 58 00:04:49,940 --> 00:04:51,538 and they told me that I am detained. 59 00:04:51,776 --> 00:04:53,553 And then I have to accompany them. 60 00:04:53,554 --> 00:04:54,854 I'm going to pack. 61 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,291 They can't come here and arrest my husband. 62 00:04:57,425 --> 00:04:58,771 Where are they going to take him? 63 00:04:58,772 --> 00:05:00,275 take it back to Saint John, madam. 64 00:05:00,401 --> 00:05:02,962 -Why, Peter? -I don't know. 65 00:05:03,189 --> 00:05:07,058 Pack your suitcase, take care of the kids or do something. 66 00:05:14,223 --> 00:05:17,289 -How long? -I'm sorry, ma'am, I don't know. 67 00:05:46,013 --> 00:05:51,211 Mr. Lavin, can you comment on your arrest? 68 00:05:51,450 --> 00:05:53,468 Let's go in now. 69 00:05:55,103 --> 00:05:58,173 Please, Let's wait for the result. 70 00:05:59,928 --> 00:06:02,470 Turn right. 71 00:06:07,009 --> 00:06:09,174 On the other side. 72 00:06:16,748 --> 00:06:18,896 Excellent. You can take it. 73 00:06:25,223 --> 00:06:26,758 Where is Paul Stevens' office? 74 00:06:26,759 --> 00:06:28,560 It's the one there. But you have an appointment? 75 00:06:28,983 --> 00:06:31,038 Lord, Lord... 76 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,797 -Did you send me this? -Everything is fine, Janis. 77 00:06:37,923 --> 00:06:39,224 Here it says summons. 78 00:06:39,225 --> 00:06:43,574 And he says I have to show up at a court as if he were a criminal. 79 00:06:43,703 --> 00:06:46,184 They can't force me to do that. 80 00:06:47,695 --> 00:06:49,894 Yes, yes I can. 81 00:07:04,528 --> 00:07:06,795 Do you recognize this? 82 00:07:10,498 --> 00:07:14,102 You accused Peter John Lavin for various crimes. 83 00:07:14,539 --> 00:07:17,455 Based in part in his testimony. 84 00:07:17,682 --> 00:07:19,174 I intend to take it to court 85 00:07:19,277 --> 00:07:23,675 and you will have to tell the judge if that is really his signature. 86 00:07:47,641 --> 00:07:51,520 After what that bastard did to you, Don't you want to catch him? 87 00:07:51,919 --> 00:07:53,621 I can't believe it. 88 00:08:02,401 --> 00:08:06,564 If you send me another letter like This I will disappear, you understand? 89 00:08:07,318 --> 00:08:10,815 I won't go to court. 90 00:08:12,025 --> 00:08:14,288 Peter John Lavin was arrested today 91 00:08:14,289 --> 00:08:16,834 for charges of physical and sexual aggression. 92 00:08:16,870 --> 00:08:19,584 The crimes were allegedly committed 93 00:08:19,585 --> 00:08:22,382 against the boys from the orphanage, 15 years ago. 94 00:08:22,514 --> 00:08:25,728 Ex-Father Lavin was visibly popular 95 00:08:25,729 --> 00:08:27,330 in the community during its inauguration. 96 00:08:27,365 --> 00:08:30,213 Thanks to your merits and dynamic vigor 97 00:08:30,214 --> 00:08:32,511 made expansion possible from the orphanage facilities... 98 00:08:32,637 --> 00:08:35,652 including the building for the Saint Vincent hockey games, 99 00:08:35,653 --> 00:08:38,252 home of the eternal champion of the city. 100 00:08:38,682 --> 00:08:42,962 Mr. Lavin lives in Montreal, He is married and has two children. 101 00:08:47,968 --> 00:08:50,833 Kevin, my little baby. 102 00:08:52,946 --> 00:08:55,582 I love you, son. 103 00:09:24,059 --> 00:09:26,420 like i was saying before, brother Lavin... 104 00:09:26,421 --> 00:09:30,020 -How did you say? -Excuse me. Mr. Lavin. 105 00:09:32,237 --> 00:09:36,216 Now let me explain the options for pleading guilty or not guilty. 106 00:09:36,246 --> 00:09:38,760 It doesn't matter, I'm innocent. 107 00:09:42,037 --> 00:09:43,887 -How much is it? -How? 108 00:09:43,988 --> 00:09:46,889 The cost, man, the cost. I have a family, remember? 109 00:09:47,223 --> 00:09:51,667 Your taxes guarantee it. I thought I knew. 110 00:09:51,803 --> 00:09:55,754 Now we have to go back to matter of the accusation. 111 00:09:55,884 --> 00:10:00,194 Hey, I'm innocent. I have taught discipline. 112 00:10:00,522 --> 00:10:03,940 I tried to convert the boys in responsible people. 113 00:10:03,973 --> 00:10:08,052 Now the sooner you understand This is better for both of us, is that clear? 114 00:10:10,387 --> 00:10:12,834 Yes, of course. 115 00:10:14,420 --> 00:10:16,147 What do you think, listeners? 116 00:10:16,148 --> 00:10:18,646 Now the old Superintendent Lavin is back, 117 00:10:18,647 --> 00:10:20,847 Fathers Glackin and Glynn, captured at the same time. 118 00:10:21,073 --> 00:10:23,775 Accused of countless crimes against small children. 119 00:10:24,005 --> 00:10:26,951 Helpless orphans delivered in your care. 120 00:10:27,353 --> 00:10:29,850 You have heard the news. What do you think? 121 00:10:30,181 --> 00:10:34,172 VOCP, everyone's voice we are in the air 122 00:10:34,308 --> 00:10:37,187 Call us. Line 2 is on air. 123 00:10:37,311 --> 00:10:40,440 -Good morning, Leonora. -My God, Gladys. 124 00:10:40,575 --> 00:10:43,287 It's good to hear from you. ago We haven't spoken for a long time. 125 00:10:43,288 --> 00:10:44,987 You disappeared. Where were you? 126 00:10:45,220 --> 00:10:47,318 I went to visit my daughter in Toronto. 127 00:10:47,418 --> 00:10:50,619 -Yes, that's good for you. -Yes, I came back here yesterday. 128 00:10:51,514 --> 00:10:54,224 And you can imagine my scare 129 00:10:54,754 --> 00:10:56,982 And now what I wanted to tell you... 130 00:10:56,983 --> 00:10:59,983 I am a devout religious and very faithful throughout my life. 131 00:11:00,407 --> 00:11:02,269 And God loves you for that, You heard, Gladys. 132 00:11:02,372 --> 00:11:03,772 Well, thank you, Leonora. 133 00:11:03,797 --> 00:11:07,576 Now, as I was saying, I don't believe in any of that. 134 00:11:07,709 --> 00:11:10,371 -You didn't fall for that then? -No. 135 00:11:10,802 --> 00:11:13,297 Why don't we remember to all good men 136 00:11:13,298 --> 00:11:15,697 of our community that were they saved by the priests? 137 00:11:15,698 --> 00:11:17,995 -Yes, yes. -Look, I'm going to tell you Leonora. 138 00:11:18,225 --> 00:11:19,736 I'm furious about that. 139 00:11:19,769 --> 00:11:21,877 There are so many people who just look for a reason 140 00:11:21,978 --> 00:11:25,177 to end our Mother Church. 141 00:11:25,711 --> 00:11:27,643 Well I hope You're right, Gladys. 142 00:11:27,644 --> 00:11:30,242 God knows what we wait for you are right. 143 00:11:31,291 --> 00:11:33,465 Some police confirmed the existence 144 00:11:33,466 --> 00:11:36,817 from witness reports signed dated 70's. 145 00:11:36,852 --> 00:11:39,268 They are part of a criminal investigation 146 00:11:39,269 --> 00:11:43,070 about mistreatment of children by the priests of San Vicente. 147 00:11:43,891 --> 00:11:47,812 Peter John Lavin, former Superintendent pleads innocence 148 00:11:47,813 --> 00:11:50,113 in the charges of physical and sexual violence. 149 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,933 One of the mysterious aggravating factors In this case it is 150 00:11:52,934 --> 00:11:56,433 why weren't charges filed? at the time of the original investigation? 151 00:11:56,763 --> 00:12:00,461 A preliminary investigation is the next step in the procedure 152 00:12:00,660 --> 00:12:02,763 judicial, in which provide evidence 153 00:12:02,764 --> 00:12:04,662 that are convincing. 154 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:12,250 It's open. 155 00:12:17,631 --> 00:12:20,572 It's open. 156 00:12:41,070 --> 00:12:44,401 Do you want to talk about that? 157 00:12:49,337 --> 00:12:51,632 Hello Kevin. 158 00:12:52,083 --> 00:12:53,966 How are you? 159 00:12:54,291 --> 00:12:58,169 Very good, detective. Very good. 160 00:13:05,184 --> 00:13:07,744 I heard that you You don't want to go testify. 161 00:13:08,145 --> 00:13:09,445 And you heard right. 162 00:13:12,572 --> 00:13:14,974 Look, I have nothing to tell him. 163 00:13:15,314 --> 00:13:18,202 Listen to me, Kevin, You won't have another chance. 164 00:13:19,338 --> 00:13:21,713 If you don't testify Lavin will go free. 165 00:13:22,417 --> 00:13:24,814 And well, never again will be accused. 166 00:13:27,211 --> 00:13:30,024 -Think about that. -Think about it? 167 00:13:31,271 --> 00:13:32,921 Do you want to know what I'm thinking? 168 00:13:33,057 --> 00:13:35,847 I'm thinking how can a great man and great detective 169 00:13:35,848 --> 00:13:38,044 lie to a child. 170 00:13:40,056 --> 00:13:41,571 You said you'd come back to see me. 171 00:13:41,597 --> 00:13:44,174 -And I came back. -Oh sure. 172 00:13:44,501 --> 00:13:45,831 I'm saying I'm back. 173 00:13:45,832 --> 00:13:47,332 you were already gone to live with your uncle. 174 00:13:47,365 --> 00:13:49,690 I don't have an uncle. 175 00:13:49,823 --> 00:13:52,187 That's what they told me. 176 00:13:52,416 --> 00:13:55,918 -Who told you that? -One of the priests. 177 00:13:57,899 --> 00:14:00,323 And you believed? 178 00:14:01,050 --> 00:14:04,829 I stayed there until I was 16 years old. For the love of God! 179 00:14:14,414 --> 00:14:18,657 Say, Mr. Noseworthy, this is Kevin Reevey's signature, right? 180 00:14:18,990 --> 00:14:20,785 Yes sir. He signed in my presence 181 00:14:20,786 --> 00:14:23,384 as you can see in the signature below. 182 00:14:23,815 --> 00:14:27,629 Could you read this story, please? The piece marked at the end. 183 00:14:27,660 --> 00:14:31,582 "He would make me sit on his lap. Sometimes I took off my shirt 184 00:14:31,583 --> 00:14:33,880 and other times it took me away all my clothes... 185 00:14:34,706 --> 00:14:37,653 and he kissed me and caressed me my private parts. 186 00:14:38,087 --> 00:14:41,561 The man who did this to me It was Father Lavin." 187 00:14:41,594 --> 00:14:44,772 No more questions, your Ladyship. 188 00:14:46,663 --> 00:14:52,472 Well, that witness's account was 15 years ago. 189 00:14:52,902 --> 00:14:55,297 - Is it correct? -That's right. 190 00:14:55,534 --> 00:14:59,307 And in this case Were any arrests made? 191 00:14:59,943 --> 00:15:03,538 -No, but it should have been. -But it wasn't done. 192 00:15:04,064 --> 00:15:05,958 Your excellency, 193 00:15:06,059 --> 00:15:08,958 there were no charges when the case was opened. 194 00:15:10,393 --> 00:15:12,845 Our legal system in his wisdom 195 00:15:12,846 --> 00:15:16,046 probably determined that there was not enough evidence. 196 00:15:16,178 --> 00:15:18,710 What type of system judicial is this 197 00:15:18,711 --> 00:15:22,311 that does not leave an officer show the doctor's evidence? 198 00:15:22,743 --> 00:15:25,771 What do you mean by "doctor's evidence"? 199 00:15:26,918 --> 00:15:29,428 The boss sent me to rewrite my report... 200 00:15:29,429 --> 00:15:31,727 excluding all references to sexual abuse 201 00:15:31,864 --> 00:15:35,004 so that there would not be elements for the accusations. 202 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:40,199 He said the orders came from Department of Justice. 203 00:15:43,106 --> 00:15:46,111 I said that a lot of politicians criminals and the dome of the Church 204 00:15:46,311 --> 00:15:48,812 they had conspired to stop the natural course of justice. 205 00:15:49,039 --> 00:15:50,942 And why are you talking about this now? 206 00:15:50,943 --> 00:15:52,709 They told me I would be fired 207 00:15:52,744 --> 00:15:54,841 and accused by justice if he said something. 208 00:15:54,871 --> 00:15:57,603 He is saying that not only there was evidence against the priests 209 00:15:57,901 --> 00:16:00,303 but that there was also a cover-up of it? 210 00:16:00,526 --> 00:16:02,747 That's exactly how it was, and I couldn't stand it. 211 00:16:02,748 --> 00:16:04,650 They will go after the priests, I hope to believe that. 212 00:16:04,685 --> 00:16:07,049 They will be brought to court, yes. 213 00:16:07,375 --> 00:16:09,156 But what will happen to the big fish? 214 00:16:09,359 --> 00:16:12,558 Let's not wait too long. Somehow they will get their way. 215 00:16:13,058 --> 00:16:15,458 Who are the senators? What will happen now? 216 00:16:21,326 --> 00:16:23,210 It will be possible, guys. 217 00:16:23,311 --> 00:16:26,512 Is it possible that the police and government senators... 218 00:16:26,937 --> 00:16:28,983 or even the government ministers 219 00:16:28,984 --> 00:16:32,681 They knew what was happening in the orphanage and they covered it all up? 220 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:35,461 Well, now there will be an investigative commission 221 00:16:35,666 --> 00:16:37,462 which will be open to the public. 222 00:16:37,688 --> 00:16:41,338 Will it be that they will reach the end of all this? What do you think? 223 00:16:43,879 --> 00:16:46,833 The children were in reality under the custody of the State... 224 00:16:46,967 --> 00:16:50,115 and that guard was given to the priests of the orphanage for his apartment. 225 00:16:50,116 --> 00:16:51,717 -Is that correct? -Yeah. 226 00:16:51,945 --> 00:16:54,873 What was your responsibility? 227 00:16:55,405 --> 00:16:57,404 I was the worker responsible social 228 00:16:57,405 --> 00:17:00,703 of all contacts between the apartment and the orphanage. 229 00:17:01,136 --> 00:17:04,121 How many times do you Did you visit the boys? 230 00:17:04,551 --> 00:17:06,093 Never. 231 00:17:06,522 --> 00:17:08,873 They made it clear to me that couldn't 232 00:17:08,874 --> 00:17:12,275 interfere in Saint Vincent no way. 233 00:17:12,706 --> 00:17:14,845 Who ordered that? 234 00:17:16,078 --> 00:17:20,697 -It comes from the directors' room. -I understand. 235 00:17:40,888 --> 00:17:43,127 I'll check it out, okay? 236 00:17:47,927 --> 00:17:50,026 It's the first time in Newfoundland? 237 00:17:50,027 --> 00:17:51,427 No. 238 00:17:51,453 --> 00:17:54,303 - So you're on business? -Yes, let's say yes. 239 00:17:54,436 --> 00:17:57,569 And also to have a lot of fun. I hope so. 240 00:17:57,794 --> 00:18:01,626 Speaking of which, you know If there is a lot of "Snow" around here? 241 00:18:01,858 --> 00:18:05,273 If there is something difficult to predict In this city, it is what the weather will be like. 242 00:18:05,401 --> 00:18:09,350 No, no, no. Snow. It's snow, good snow. 243 00:18:09,486 --> 00:18:13,104 Last month, sir. There was a lot of that around here. 244 00:18:13,237 --> 00:18:16,686 -Near here, right? - That's right, sir. 245 00:18:16,824 --> 00:18:20,023 -Was there enough? -Of each type. 246 00:18:33,413 --> 00:18:35,566 Brian. Christ. 247 00:18:36,497 --> 00:18:39,481 It's good to see you, man. Are you hungry? 248 00:18:39,482 --> 00:18:41,483 Ask for what you want. Waiter, bring us champagne. 249 00:18:41,712 --> 00:18:44,539 Let's celebrate, my brother and I here. Sit down. 250 00:18:44,668 --> 00:18:47,159 So how are you? Married with children? 251 00:18:47,296 --> 00:18:48,638 I want to meet your wife, 252 00:18:48,639 --> 00:18:51,340 But I thought it was better, you know, see each other first and... 253 00:18:51,341 --> 00:18:52,736 You know. Well... 254 00:18:52,972 --> 00:18:56,170 How are you? Are you hungry? Waiter, bring you a menu. 255 00:18:56,300 --> 00:18:58,412 -What place, huh? -Yeah. 256 00:18:58,445 --> 00:19:00,249 Christ. You look well. 257 00:19:00,377 --> 00:19:03,460 You're losing hair, huh? 258 00:19:03,595 --> 00:19:06,302 -What are you doing here? - I spend a few million. 259 00:19:06,431 --> 00:19:09,439 No. Trying to find a Girl, be good. 260 00:19:11,168 --> 00:19:13,288 Waiter, thank you. 261 00:19:14,602 --> 00:19:16,761 For old times' sake. 262 00:19:22,609 --> 00:19:25,890 My God. It entered my nose. 263 00:19:28,859 --> 00:19:31,132 What are you doing here, brother? 264 00:19:31,232 --> 00:19:33,830 The police invited me, and I couldn't refuse, you know. 265 00:19:34,363 --> 00:19:36,850 Free trip, a good hotel, Enjoy my brother. 266 00:19:36,851 --> 00:19:38,751 What they want is to talk about Glackin. 267 00:19:41,452 --> 00:19:44,754 -I tried to find you. -You tried, and when was that? 268 00:19:44,755 --> 00:19:47,253 I stayed in that damn place waiting a few years. 269 00:19:51,046 --> 00:19:53,690 I can't wait to go to Toronto. 270 00:19:53,691 --> 00:19:56,187 Don't get too excited, brother. It'll take a while, you know. 271 00:19:56,313 --> 00:19:59,021 Yes, I know, but some day will go, right? 272 00:19:59,022 --> 00:20:01,621 Do you think I would leave you in this damn place? By no means. 273 00:20:01,947 --> 00:20:04,133 As soon as I get ready you come 274 00:20:04,670 --> 00:20:07,832 You will be fine. Just stay away from them, that's all. 275 00:20:09,712 --> 00:20:11,921 Forget it ok. 276 00:20:12,049 --> 00:20:13,816 What are you going to want? Waiter, where is the menu? 277 00:20:13,817 --> 00:20:15,314 No, it's okay, I already ate. 278 00:20:15,447 --> 00:20:17,507 -Cigarette? -I don't smoke. 279 00:20:17,631 --> 00:20:19,425 Jesus, a healthy life. 280 00:20:19,549 --> 00:20:22,801 -Do you live in the outskirts? -I knew you would ask. 281 00:20:22,837 --> 00:20:26,550 Do you have photos of your wife, children? 282 00:20:26,678 --> 00:20:28,180 It's what I have nephew, niece? 283 00:20:28,181 --> 00:20:29,979 Don't tell me. Let me see the photo. 284 00:20:30,017 --> 00:20:33,049 -These are the children. -Excellent. 285 00:20:33,186 --> 00:20:35,056 And Donna is here. 286 00:20:35,182 --> 00:20:38,963 Look, what a family. Excellent. 287 00:20:39,102 --> 00:20:44,117 The records show that the complaints of sexual and physical abuse 288 00:20:44,449 --> 00:20:47,745 were sent to you, Could you confirm this? 289 00:20:47,856 --> 00:20:51,689 Well, it's possible. 290 00:20:51,821 --> 00:20:54,376 did something about these complaints? 291 00:20:54,377 --> 00:20:55,778 Yes, in fact I did. 292 00:20:56,613 --> 00:21:00,312 Could you tell the commission what your department did about it? 293 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,021 I think I asked Father Lavin to investigate and inform me. 294 00:21:06,158 --> 00:21:08,232 Wait a minute. 295 00:21:08,365 --> 00:21:11,877 You were the legal guardian of those children, is that correct? 296 00:21:12,039 --> 00:21:15,288 Well... that's right. 297 00:21:15,389 --> 00:21:18,087 And you're telling this commission that as your tutor 298 00:21:18,424 --> 00:21:22,246 with the obligation to care for your well-being... 299 00:21:22,378 --> 00:21:25,556 I requested one of the accused priests 300 00:21:25,557 --> 00:21:28,552 to investigate a crime that he himself committed? 301 00:21:29,586 --> 00:21:33,588 Well, that might seem like it absurd, but at that moment 302 00:21:33,589 --> 00:21:35,788 seemed to be the most appropriate to perform. 303 00:21:39,742 --> 00:21:41,841 Attention passengers bound for Toronto, come up the ramp... 304 00:21:42,141 --> 00:21:45,649 How is your family reacting? about this? Will they endure it? 305 00:21:46,676 --> 00:21:49,608 I'm going to find out when I get there. 306 00:21:50,038 --> 00:21:54,461 I would like to sit your wife down on the stand as the main witness. 307 00:21:54,598 --> 00:21:57,136 By no means. 308 00:21:57,267 --> 00:22:00,565 I don't want to involve to my family in this. 309 00:22:01,393 --> 00:22:04,940 Well, I tell you this because It is of your total interest 310 00:22:04,980 --> 00:22:09,974 have people testify about the strength of his character. 311 00:22:10,106 --> 00:22:12,775 Your mental stability. 312 00:22:12,901 --> 00:22:15,438 I said no, didn't I? 313 00:22:17,676 --> 00:22:22,853 Well then can I put it in contact with a psychiatrist? 314 00:22:22,987 --> 00:22:25,025 For what? 315 00:22:25,155 --> 00:22:28,938 In order to bring a expert witness, 316 00:22:28,939 --> 00:22:31,737 and can say that you has been tested 317 00:22:31,868 --> 00:22:36,413 and tell the court about your psychological balance. 318 00:22:37,662 --> 00:22:42,783 "Wish someone would tell the judge that the kids are type A... 319 00:22:43,208 --> 00:22:45,524 and I'm type B. Something like that? 320 00:22:45,547 --> 00:22:47,907 Something like that. 321 00:22:52,002 --> 00:22:56,450 Someone who knows my Deeper thoughts, right? 322 00:22:59,223 --> 00:23:02,585 -OK. -Excellent. 323 00:23:03,221 --> 00:23:06,915 I will schedule some sessions to start when you return. 324 00:23:07,052 --> 00:23:09,339 As you wish. 325 00:23:13,772 --> 00:23:16,848 Then it came, and you know what did he do? He took my skates. 326 00:23:17,349 --> 00:23:20,541 He sat in front of me and I took off my skates. 327 00:23:23,606 --> 00:23:26,673 -Daddy... -Hello, children. 328 00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:29,035 How are you? 329 00:23:29,565 --> 00:23:31,749 Good. 330 00:23:39,654 --> 00:23:42,253 I thought I would never see you again. 331 00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:53,028 Very sorry. 332 00:23:55,997 --> 00:23:59,228 You must be hungry, right? Well... 333 00:24:00,629 --> 00:24:03,652 How about baked potatoes? What do you think? 334 00:24:03,783 --> 00:24:06,418 -It will be ready in no time. -Daddy! 335 00:24:06,850 --> 00:24:09,662 Very well, children. I have one thing in the suitcase for each one. 336 00:24:09,764 --> 00:24:12,559 It has everyone's name. So no fighting, okay? 337 00:25:15,767 --> 00:25:19,631 You're Reevey, right? Kevin Reevey, right? 338 00:25:19,864 --> 00:25:22,988 Glen Martin. From the room Glackins, remember? 339 00:25:23,188 --> 00:25:24,683 Yes, I remember it. 340 00:25:25,013 --> 00:25:26,785 Give me four beers. 341 00:25:27,762 --> 00:25:30,917 They called me for my testimony. 342 00:25:31,514 --> 00:25:33,312 Now we have that Glackin. 343 00:25:33,737 --> 00:25:36,636 I saw some of the boys and they asked about you. 344 00:25:36,968 --> 00:25:39,798 -What have you done? -Little thing. 345 00:25:39,923 --> 00:25:43,106 I'm working in Texas and earning a lot of money. 346 00:25:50,331 --> 00:25:54,027 I bet you have spicy stories that count, Kevin. 347 00:25:54,162 --> 00:25:57,820 Man, I remember you used to go almost every day to Lavin's office. 348 00:25:57,957 --> 00:26:01,121 Of course you were his little one. 349 00:26:07,416 --> 00:26:12,283 Remember what they did: "Hey, Lavin. What do you say, Lavin?" 350 00:26:12,411 --> 00:26:15,974 Do you think this is funny? Do you think this is a joke? 351 00:26:22,086 --> 00:26:23,742 Kevin... 352 00:26:29,031 --> 00:26:32,112 You were in Saint Vincent Isn't that so? 353 00:26:35,767 --> 00:26:38,977 He said that you You were Lavin's boy. 354 00:26:40,817 --> 00:26:42,890 Come on, Kevin. 355 00:26:43,124 --> 00:26:46,686 It's in all the newspapers. I know who Lavin was. 356 00:26:52,096 --> 00:26:55,556 Maybe it's better Let's take a break. 357 00:26:56,830 --> 00:27:00,391 -What? -Take care, will you? 358 00:27:12,129 --> 00:27:15,679 Kevin, Kevin, hey, hey! 359 00:27:17,056 --> 00:27:19,143 �Come on, come on, come on! 360 00:27:19,267 --> 00:27:22,019 No, I don't want to go back there, please. 361 00:27:31,962 --> 00:27:35,575 Let's start talking about you. 362 00:27:36,954 --> 00:27:42,663 Some particular aspect What I would like to know about myself. 363 00:27:42,697 --> 00:27:47,468 Yes, yes, well... I'll tell him what I want. 364 00:27:47,902 --> 00:27:50,295 There's no need to feel I want to take it 365 00:27:50,296 --> 00:27:52,492 to a place I don't want. Right? 366 00:27:52,493 --> 00:27:53,791 Take me wherever you want. 367 00:27:53,806 --> 00:27:58,572 Well, what's happening to you now It has a certain meaning. 368 00:27:58,704 --> 00:28:02,533 could tell me about it... 369 00:28:02,668 --> 00:28:06,048 if we put this current experience 370 00:28:06,247 --> 00:28:09,040 in a total perspective of your life. 371 00:28:11,660 --> 00:28:14,604 I don't... 372 00:28:14,735 --> 00:28:19,028 I didn't know my real parents and... 373 00:28:20,071 --> 00:28:24,064 I lived for a while in a foster home. Three... 374 00:28:24,395 --> 00:28:28,810 During a period from three to nine years. 375 00:28:30,479 --> 00:28:33,648 "I never lived" somewhere else? 376 00:28:33,773 --> 00:28:37,242 No, I went to an orphanage after the foster home. 377 00:28:37,243 --> 00:28:39,540 And no, he didn't live nowhere else. 378 00:28:39,569 --> 00:28:41,704 I don't think he hurt me. 379 00:28:41,705 --> 00:28:43,705 Particularly I didn't feel bad about that. 380 00:28:43,730 --> 00:28:47,804 It made me strong. I did not have the privilege of... 381 00:28:48,141 --> 00:28:53,391 have my cover and neither the other boys who lived with me. 382 00:28:53,621 --> 00:28:58,040 You know, they grow up to be very kind... 383 00:28:58,469 --> 00:29:01,580 -and helpless. -And you grew up to be tough? 384 00:29:02,812 --> 00:29:06,209 No, I grew up understand life as it is. 385 00:29:06,347 --> 00:29:10,714 A real life, not any something you can fantasize about. 386 00:29:19,896 --> 00:29:23,374 You attend church after what they did to us? 387 00:29:24,106 --> 00:29:27,407 Yes, I have returned. 388 00:29:27,743 --> 00:29:31,157 After I started to go out with Donna. 389 00:29:31,292 --> 00:29:33,660 You should have seen me. 390 00:29:33,790 --> 00:29:37,830 It was the first time I entered church after leaving the orphanage. 391 00:29:37,953 --> 00:29:42,115 I sat down, you know, and the priest was in front of me. 392 00:29:42,551 --> 00:29:45,199 I was praying that part of the Lord's Prayer, 393 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,497 the one who says "forgive our sins 394 00:29:46,498 --> 00:29:48,295 just as we forgive our sinners." 395 00:29:48,524 --> 00:29:51,665 - It's not like that, Brian. -Exactly what I thought. 396 00:29:51,666 --> 00:29:53,363 Forgive those unfortunates It's not the same. 397 00:29:53,598 --> 00:29:56,143 I got up and quickly left the church. 398 00:29:56,144 --> 00:29:57,539 I thought I was going to get sick. 399 00:29:57,971 --> 00:30:02,044 It was full, full of hate. 400 00:30:02,945 --> 00:30:04,940 I wanted to kill them all. 401 00:30:05,484 --> 00:30:10,022 Nothing would be so bad or so painful for priests, if you want to know. 402 00:30:10,057 --> 00:30:13,425 I already know that. Then I started to think 403 00:30:13,629 --> 00:30:15,926 on what I would do if find one of them, 404 00:30:16,249 --> 00:30:18,069 Glynn or Lavin? 405 00:30:18,497 --> 00:30:21,424 That's right, I would kill them. 406 00:30:21,661 --> 00:30:24,357 Without a doubt. 407 00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:28,848 Then I tried to go back to church to reach an agreement with Donna. 408 00:30:29,082 --> 00:30:31,970 And all that again about forgiveness. 409 00:30:34,017 --> 00:30:38,835 And I thought: Ok, Maybe I could forgive them. 410 00:30:39,679 --> 00:30:42,167 If they were dead. 411 00:30:44,466 --> 00:30:46,011 Exactly. 412 00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:54,656 now i can Forgive you, son of a bitch! 413 00:31:02,525 --> 00:31:04,030 But I can't forgive them, 414 00:31:04,031 --> 00:31:06,228 then it's me who would have than to live with this hatred. 415 00:31:09,518 --> 00:31:12,168 But I can't. 416 00:31:17,656 --> 00:31:21,237 I think I started to understand what they were talking about. 417 00:31:24,293 --> 00:31:26,904 I don't hate them anymore. 418 00:31:31,825 --> 00:31:34,234 Forgive and forget, right? 419 00:31:37,780 --> 00:31:40,068 No way, brother. 420 00:31:45,998 --> 00:31:48,335 The judgment of Father James Glackin 421 00:31:48,336 --> 00:31:50,228 today will have a sensational start... 422 00:31:50,229 --> 00:31:53,325 with the testimony of a young man who claimed to receive visits 423 00:31:53,352 --> 00:31:56,488 in his bed at night by the priest responsible for his room. 424 00:31:56,618 --> 00:31:59,287 The long-awaited judgment by Peter John Lavin... 425 00:31:59,316 --> 00:32:02,857 the man who was superintendent when those crimes probably 426 00:32:02,890 --> 00:32:05,047 they happened, It is already underway. 427 00:32:05,048 --> 00:32:09,244 At the police station there are two other former priests who are under arrest. 428 00:32:10,273 --> 00:32:13,866 -I told you to be careful. - Stop! 429 00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:16,264 ...New witnesses in the case of the trial 430 00:32:16,265 --> 00:32:18,762 of the priests of the Saint Vincent Orphanage. 431 00:32:28,123 --> 00:32:31,418 Peter, I would like to See you in my office. 432 00:32:31,845 --> 00:32:33,387 In a minute. 433 00:32:35,721 --> 00:32:37,491 Perfect. 434 00:32:39,632 --> 00:32:44,368 Catherine, I'm going to need everything in my hands this afternoon. 435 00:32:44,509 --> 00:32:48,550 You will need a circular proposal, a formal one and everything else. 436 00:32:49,082 --> 00:32:53,287 It's temporary until everything calms down. 437 00:32:54,222 --> 00:32:57,657 Listen, it was my skill that led us to 438 00:32:57,658 --> 00:32:59,255 have that contract in first hand. 439 00:32:59,592 --> 00:33:02,247 I was the one who left the family aside to reconcile 440 00:33:02,248 --> 00:33:05,045 the needs of directors this planning commission. 441 00:33:05,075 --> 00:33:06,736 -Peter. -I was the one who gave him the strength... 442 00:33:06,768 --> 00:33:09,255 so that I could first hand! 443 00:33:09,256 --> 00:33:10,857 Enough, Peter. 444 00:33:13,078 --> 00:33:16,541 It is suspended as of now. 445 00:33:18,361 --> 00:33:23,164 What happens to the innocent? as long as they are not proven guilty? 446 00:33:27,051 --> 00:33:30,839 Why the hell am I involved in this? What do I know? 447 00:33:32,846 --> 00:33:34,453 I don't know. 448 00:33:38,928 --> 00:33:43,297 Let me explain something to you, in the orphanage both the children... 449 00:33:43,734 --> 00:33:48,935 like all our priests, We started the day early. 450 00:33:49,063 --> 00:33:53,218 There was always something that Do throughout the day until bedtime. 451 00:33:54,049 --> 00:33:56,836 The boys had an hour of rest, 452 00:33:56,837 --> 00:34:00,033 or to go to the library, watch television or swim a little. 453 00:34:00,369 --> 00:34:02,456 The older ones knew how to swim. 454 00:34:02,584 --> 00:34:06,346 And for all the priests, the day started two hours earlier, 455 00:34:06,448 --> 00:34:08,245 and it ended two hours later. 456 00:34:08,675 --> 00:34:11,635 Everything we did It was for the children. 457 00:34:12,263 --> 00:34:13,636 I mean everything. 458 00:34:14,066 --> 00:34:19,296 Collect donations direct, teach. 459 00:34:21,385 --> 00:34:25,854 you can say that you loved children? 460 00:34:26,057 --> 00:34:29,150 -Does that describe what I felt? -Yeah. 461 00:34:36,786 --> 00:34:39,251 -So, did you like the bracelet? -Yeah. 462 00:34:39,252 --> 00:34:40,653 -Incredible. -It's yours. 463 00:34:40,687 --> 00:34:42,412 Do you think your father Will I let you use it? 464 00:34:42,413 --> 00:34:44,312 -Will she let you go with her to church? -Maybe. 465 00:34:44,645 --> 00:34:46,494 I don't believe it. 466 00:34:47,025 --> 00:34:50,750 Great, Billy. You will do the following. 467 00:34:51,374 --> 00:34:53,279 You will take communion... 468 00:34:53,312 --> 00:34:56,213 and instead of returning and sit with your parents, 469 00:34:56,214 --> 00:34:59,811 you will return to the queue and you will take communion again. 470 00:35:00,836 --> 00:35:03,002 That's what you have to do. I just want to see. 471 00:35:03,337 --> 00:35:05,659 I doubt that will be the case. No, it's not a joke. 472 00:35:05,782 --> 00:35:09,617 That's what I did. I swear to God. Will you get it? 473 00:35:09,649 --> 00:35:11,615 Good. Do you think you can sustain that? 474 00:35:11,717 --> 00:35:13,115 -Of course. -Ah, cool. 475 00:35:13,144 --> 00:35:14,789 What do you think your parents will they feel about it? 476 00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:16,190 What do I know? 477 00:35:16,515 --> 00:35:18,616 -Okay, it's time to go. -No, it's not. 478 00:35:18,953 --> 00:35:22,054 -I think so. -They're great, don't you think? 479 00:35:22,485 --> 00:35:26,746 -Yes Hello. -They are too much, man. 480 00:35:26,878 --> 00:35:28,662 -Nice shirt. -Thank you so much. 481 00:35:28,786 --> 00:35:31,578 -You better go. -Put your shirt inside. 482 00:35:31,816 --> 00:35:34,949 Great, Billy. Remember what I told you, huh? 483 00:35:35,578 --> 00:35:37,435 -The body of Christ. -Amen. 484 00:35:37,634 --> 00:35:39,131 The body of Christ. 485 00:35:41,130 --> 00:35:42,428 Amen. 486 00:35:42,531 --> 00:35:44,627 -The body of Christ. -Amen. 487 00:35:45,024 --> 00:35:47,026 -The body of Christ. -Amen. 488 00:35:47,652 --> 00:35:51,231 -Cool, one more. -One more, what? 489 00:36:00,350 --> 00:36:02,882 See? 490 00:36:08,053 --> 00:36:10,048 He is not a lost case. 491 00:36:10,176 --> 00:36:14,249 - Did you know I was going to do that? -Don't even suspect. 492 00:36:16,921 --> 00:36:19,452 Now lower your head lower your head. 493 00:36:22,853 --> 00:36:24,746 Good. 494 00:36:30,830 --> 00:36:32,288 Good boy. 495 00:36:35,745 --> 00:36:39,689 In 1975, you were the Minister of Social Work. 496 00:36:39,826 --> 00:36:41,972 - Is it correct? -Correct. 497 00:36:42,112 --> 00:36:43,722 Here we hear many witnesses say 498 00:36:43,723 --> 00:36:46,219 about statements that They were filed in his apartment. 499 00:36:46,649 --> 00:36:49,650 Can you tell me if you had knowledge of this fact? 500 00:36:49,774 --> 00:36:52,556 I'm sorry but I can't tell you anything. 501 00:36:52,689 --> 00:36:55,689 The first time I heard that was last year 502 00:36:55,690 --> 00:36:57,587 when they opened the investigation. 503 00:36:59,016 --> 00:37:01,322 never knew about the police investigation? 504 00:37:01,423 --> 00:37:03,021 Never. 505 00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:05,508 I never heard about of testimonies 506 00:37:05,509 --> 00:37:07,607 they were on their own department? 507 00:37:07,940 --> 00:37:09,691 Never. 508 00:37:09,922 --> 00:37:12,838 I didn't know that most of the orphanage children 509 00:37:12,939 --> 00:37:15,933 They were placed there by the people from your department? 510 00:37:16,464 --> 00:37:17,985 Of course he knew it. 511 00:37:18,083 --> 00:37:21,181 They told me that the children They were happy to be there. 512 00:37:21,714 --> 00:37:25,300 I thought that the priests They did a good job. 513 00:37:25,834 --> 00:37:27,871 I never talked about that with the premier? 514 00:37:27,972 --> 00:37:32,567 How could I? I have already told you, I didn't know anything. 515 00:37:40,705 --> 00:37:43,141 It's open. 516 00:38:18,163 --> 00:38:22,580 -I felt his lack. -I felt yours too. 517 00:39:53,058 --> 00:39:55,928 Calm down, it was just a dream, calm down. 518 00:39:56,059 --> 00:39:58,254 That was just a dream. 519 00:40:24,816 --> 00:40:27,864 Now mom I will give you a big kiss. 520 00:40:28,692 --> 00:40:33,161 Are you going to sleep well? Of course. Kiss me here. 521 00:40:34,238 --> 00:40:36,389 Sleep well my love. 522 00:40:36,527 --> 00:40:38,811 Say goodnight to dad. 523 00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:56,796 I want you to sleep well, okay? 524 00:40:58,410 --> 00:41:02,668 I want you to sleep very good right? 525 00:41:05,672 --> 00:41:11,084 And in the morning we will all go to play a little hockey. 526 00:41:11,085 --> 00:41:12,682 -OKAY. -OKAY. 527 00:41:26,490 --> 00:41:28,610 The children arrived home crying. 528 00:41:29,010 --> 00:41:31,706 They told them some things in high school. 529 00:41:33,112 --> 00:41:36,167 -What things? -What do you think? 530 00:41:45,403 --> 00:41:50,050 Peter, I don't know anymore what to think 531 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,188 you never told me about the orphanage. 532 00:41:55,966 --> 00:41:58,169 Why didn't you speak? 533 00:42:00,628 --> 00:42:04,205 Because it was a total nightmare. 534 00:42:04,337 --> 00:42:07,898 There were false accusations such as those of now. 535 00:42:08,128 --> 00:42:12,157 It was because of this that he left the cassock. 536 00:42:12,289 --> 00:42:16,739 Did you leave because of the accusations? 537 00:42:17,583 --> 00:42:19,855 But... 538 00:42:21,368 --> 00:42:23,605 You told me... 539 00:42:23,738 --> 00:42:28,142 that you left the cassock Why did you want to change your life? 540 00:42:28,277 --> 00:42:30,762 That's right. 541 00:42:30,901 --> 00:42:35,515 But I also said I couldn't keep the vow of obedience. 542 00:42:35,643 --> 00:42:41,393 One more obedience humble and sincere. 543 00:42:41,522 --> 00:42:43,488 However, something was wrong 544 00:42:43,489 --> 00:42:46,283 during the time that you were there? 545 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,077 Yes, I was. 546 00:42:56,672 --> 00:42:59,466 My God. 547 00:43:00,655 --> 00:43:04,409 Because being me the superintendent... 548 00:43:06,872 --> 00:43:11,993 All the blame fell on me. They said he knew everything. 549 00:43:13,037 --> 00:43:15,488 And did you know it? 550 00:43:36,556 --> 00:43:40,429 -Peter. -I need you, Chantal. 551 00:43:42,096 --> 00:43:45,008 Now you you are my wife... 552 00:43:51,552 --> 00:43:54,750 in the good and the bad moments, remember? 553 00:44:01,922 --> 00:44:04,583 Come on, rest a little. 554 00:44:04,708 --> 00:44:06,947 I need you. 555 00:44:14,148 --> 00:44:18,868 Don't do this, Peter. Peter, no. 556 00:44:45,029 --> 00:44:46,929 Peter... 557 00:44:58,314 --> 00:45:00,409 Peter. 558 00:45:36,774 --> 00:45:41,667 Can you tell me in detail what you felt for her... 559 00:45:41,693 --> 00:45:44,354 the first time you met her? 560 00:45:44,555 --> 00:45:48,855 The first time you saw her? Any changes? 561 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,783 Tell me how you felt. 562 00:45:55,581 --> 00:45:58,419 Sure. 563 00:46:01,139 --> 00:46:05,292 She made me feel safe. 564 00:46:05,431 --> 00:46:07,499 Believe. 565 00:46:08,223 --> 00:46:11,926 Yes, there was trust. 566 00:46:12,161 --> 00:46:16,407 There was a reaction in me, do you understand? 567 00:46:20,196 --> 00:46:24,616 There was an attraction in me, you know. 568 00:46:27,251 --> 00:46:31,536 And one thing led to another. 569 00:46:38,112 --> 00:46:40,576 We got married. 570 00:46:45,368 --> 00:46:48,042 And after? 571 00:46:48,278 --> 00:46:50,349 And then... 572 00:46:51,393 --> 00:46:55,378 a year after we we got married, we decided to have children 573 00:46:55,607 --> 00:46:59,310 and then we had two children, two children in a row. 574 00:46:59,350 --> 00:47:03,033 Antom was the first and Eric the second. 575 00:47:05,728 --> 00:47:10,861 It was something incredible have my own children. 576 00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:14,060 Because I never had... 577 00:47:19,316 --> 00:47:22,056 a family, you know. 578 00:47:22,081 --> 00:47:27,788 And there were those little things that were mine. 579 00:47:30,981 --> 00:47:34,578 And they were so... 580 00:47:34,806 --> 00:47:37,134 sweets, then... 581 00:47:40,927 --> 00:47:44,294 Well I wanted give them everything... 582 00:47:44,431 --> 00:47:46,772 everything... 583 00:47:48,264 --> 00:47:51,423 everything he didn't have. 584 00:47:51,650 --> 00:47:53,722 All... 585 00:47:53,823 --> 00:47:55,324 and... 586 00:48:39,597 --> 00:48:42,035 -Steven! -Hello. 587 00:48:42,237 --> 00:48:45,838 -Come on man. Open. -OKAY. 588 00:48:52,654 --> 00:48:55,338 Everything okay? 589 00:48:56,115 --> 00:48:58,489 I woke you up 590 00:48:58,790 --> 00:49:01,087 No no. 591 00:49:01,352 --> 00:49:04,881 I thought you would like it come back home 592 00:49:05,025 --> 00:49:06,835 Donna is making spaghetti. 593 00:49:07,135 --> 00:49:10,032 And we could also look at the game, right? 594 00:49:10,468 --> 00:49:16,406 I don't know, I feel a little strange. 595 00:49:16,745 --> 00:49:21,528 You know, I was going to have a beer. Don't you like beer very much? 596 00:49:21,763 --> 00:49:23,668 -Look, put it in the account, if you want. -No, thanks. 597 00:49:23,704 --> 00:49:27,844 I'm going out. 598 00:49:28,243 --> 00:49:30,742 Okay, do what you want. 599 00:49:30,743 --> 00:49:32,343 Yes, I'm going out. 600 00:49:32,344 --> 00:49:33,944 Are you going out? 601 00:49:34,078 --> 00:49:37,358 -Yes, I'm leaving. -Excellent. 602 00:49:39,869 --> 00:49:42,781 And where are you going? 603 00:49:43,406 --> 00:49:47,741 I'm going to see some friends. I have some friends, you know. 604 00:49:47,773 --> 00:49:51,611 Yes, I have some, just some. 605 00:49:54,551 --> 00:49:58,450 -Some of your old friends? -Yes, listen, look... 606 00:49:58,477 --> 00:50:03,437 If so, I need one. 607 00:50:03,564 --> 00:50:05,853 Understood. 608 00:50:05,984 --> 00:50:09,479 -This shit here? -Just to rejoice. 609 00:50:09,914 --> 00:50:12,301 -I know, I know. - It's just that mine is over. 610 00:50:12,332 --> 00:50:16,115 -You know, it's difficult, it's really difficult. -What is difficult? 611 00:50:16,216 --> 00:50:17,616 Something difficult. 612 00:50:18,045 --> 00:50:21,317 -That's good. -It's quite difficult. 613 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,116 It's hard to find okay, do you understand? Well. 614 00:50:26,163 --> 00:50:29,432 I have to go now. You understand, don't you? 615 00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:34,010 You can go home, maybe it will happen later 616 00:50:34,137 --> 00:50:36,717 -to see you, -You're a good guy. 617 00:50:36,718 --> 00:50:38,322 See you at the house. OK. 618 00:50:39,867 --> 00:50:42,540 I love you man. 619 00:50:45,037 --> 00:50:48,989 -I really love you. -I love you too. 620 00:50:50,967 --> 00:50:53,962 Now I have to go. I have to go. Let me out. 621 00:50:54,096 --> 00:50:57,541 -Let me out! -You're not going anywhere. 622 00:50:57,668 --> 00:51:00,119 -I'm going out! -Okay, go ahead, 623 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:01,920 I don't care anymore! 624 00:51:03,558 --> 00:51:08,153 You're going out there to get high with the other boys! 625 00:51:23,346 --> 00:51:25,418 Hello. It's me. 626 00:51:25,555 --> 00:51:29,554 No, I'm here, He came out that way. 627 00:51:29,686 --> 00:51:32,690 I don't know where. I don't know. 628 00:51:32,815 --> 00:51:36,686 Okay, I'm on my way. See you later. 629 00:51:39,667 --> 00:51:41,697 Now, Chief Kennedy, 630 00:51:41,795 --> 00:51:45,694 you spoke with the monsignor Fuocco about this problem? 631 00:51:46,733 --> 00:51:49,123 As for this problem? 632 00:51:50,579 --> 00:51:54,652 No I don't think so. I'm not sure. 633 00:51:57,546 --> 00:52:00,681 I have problems with my memory. 634 00:52:00,816 --> 00:52:05,677 Especially during that time, since I had surgery. 635 00:52:06,211 --> 00:52:08,830 -How did you say? -Well, understand, 636 00:52:08,931 --> 00:52:11,329 I had surgery a few years ago. 637 00:52:11,955 --> 00:52:13,867 Prostate operation. 638 00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:17,465 Since then I have memory problems. 639 00:52:22,603 --> 00:52:27,208 What do you know about the orders given to former Detective Noseworthy to alter... 640 00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,497 a police report about sexual references? 641 00:52:34,570 --> 00:52:37,175 Not your ladyship, nothing that I remember. 642 00:52:37,802 --> 00:52:40,908 Well this is incredible Isn't it personal? 643 00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:44,670 That a man who deliberately attacks children, stay free. 644 00:52:44,798 --> 00:52:49,005 That a man who admitted to suffering memory problems... 645 00:52:49,136 --> 00:52:53,678 and who was once the head of the department of city police, 646 00:52:53,812 --> 00:52:56,620 say you had an operation prostate 647 00:52:56,621 --> 00:52:59,421 and now he can't remember nothing. 648 00:52:59,652 --> 00:53:04,779 Oh, no, no. let us knows what you think. 649 00:53:04,905 --> 00:53:07,308 We have someone. We have someone on line 2. 650 00:53:07,411 --> 00:53:09,406 You can talk, line 2 is in the air. 651 00:53:09,539 --> 00:53:12,374 Of course I don't believe them, Leonora. They all lie. 652 00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:16,187 All this brings us to the priests. They all say they are not guilty. 653 00:53:16,188 --> 00:53:18,487 - It's true. -Do you know what I think, Leonora? 654 00:53:18,714 --> 00:53:21,116 No, but I think What will you tell me? 655 00:53:21,345 --> 00:53:24,375 Sex, Leonora, sex. That's why all this happens. 656 00:53:24,377 --> 00:53:25,977 The Church does not allow have sex. 657 00:53:26,503 --> 00:53:29,362 Now you have a lot of priests and leaves them alone 658 00:53:29,363 --> 00:53:32,360 with all these children. Well, what do you expect to happen? 659 00:53:32,487 --> 00:53:35,370 Well, you have your opinion formed against them, friend. 660 00:53:35,470 --> 00:53:37,269 And thank you very much for talking to us. 661 00:53:38,897 --> 00:53:42,750 I was celibate at that time. 662 00:53:42,878 --> 00:53:46,212 Sex terrified me a lot. 663 00:53:48,262 --> 00:53:52,426 That was one of the reasons I went. to the Order of the Holy Fathers, 664 00:53:52,658 --> 00:53:55,562 to not deal with it. 665 00:53:58,110 --> 00:54:00,732 Well, what did I feel? 666 00:54:05,660 --> 00:54:07,740 Fear. 667 00:54:08,914 --> 00:54:11,123 Correct. But afraid of what? 668 00:54:14,133 --> 00:54:17,543 I don't know. Fear of loving. 669 00:54:23,770 --> 00:54:28,232 No, don't deviate from what you're feeling, wait. 670 00:54:28,364 --> 00:54:30,688 What are you feeling now? 671 00:54:30,826 --> 00:54:32,866 Before I had... 672 00:54:35,833 --> 00:54:38,620 a family 673 00:54:39,672 --> 00:54:42,922 now i have a lot of enemies. 674 00:54:56,529 --> 00:54:59,278 -What happened? -I had a fight. 675 00:54:59,407 --> 00:55:03,321 -You fought, huh? -My leg hurts. 676 00:55:04,497 --> 00:55:07,116 Well, wait a minute. 677 00:55:08,838 --> 00:55:11,425 -Did you break any bones? -No. 678 00:55:11,426 --> 00:55:12,823 Isn't it? 679 00:55:13,172 --> 00:55:16,696 Look, I'm going there. Do you want a walk? 680 00:55:16,729 --> 00:55:18,092 -Ok. -Excellent. 681 00:56:02,722 --> 00:56:06,159 I wanted to hug him. 682 00:56:07,668 --> 00:56:10,708 His neck seemed... 683 00:56:11,757 --> 00:56:15,050 so soft... 684 00:56:15,183 --> 00:56:17,472 It's perfect. 685 00:56:20,815 --> 00:56:23,598 I felt alive, father. 686 00:56:24,651 --> 00:56:27,691 I felt excited. 687 00:56:31,287 --> 00:56:34,874 I wanted to feel his warmth and his tenderness. 688 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,044 I wanted to feel his love. 689 00:56:42,928 --> 00:56:45,342 Have you touched it? 690 00:56:50,229 --> 00:56:53,567 Have you felt those desires before? 691 00:56:55,365 --> 00:56:57,822 For a long time now. 692 00:56:58,870 --> 00:57:02,742 What did you do about those wishes? 693 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,499 I have sinned, Father. 694 00:57:09,636 --> 00:57:11,638 I knew 695 00:57:11,842 --> 00:57:14,636 that some of the children Had they been abused? 696 00:57:14,767 --> 00:57:16,554 Is that correct? 697 00:57:16,682 --> 00:57:20,355 Yes, and I can say that It was a tremendous impact. 698 00:57:20,483 --> 00:57:23,819 -What did you do about it? -I didn't understand? 699 00:57:25,282 --> 00:57:27,571 The children, monsignor. 700 00:57:27,704 --> 00:57:31,435 What did he do with them? 701 00:57:31,667 --> 00:57:34,290 As I said, that It was a long time ago. 702 00:57:34,423 --> 00:57:36,803 None of us knew what we know now 703 00:57:36,804 --> 00:57:38,802 about the effects it had. 704 00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:42,011 I thought that children they would be much better 705 00:57:42,114 --> 00:57:45,511 if they weren't in embarrassing situations. 706 00:57:46,143 --> 00:57:48,844 And is aware that some of the priests who remained 707 00:57:48,949 --> 00:57:53,144 at the orphanage after they closed the investigation in 1975... 708 00:57:53,570 --> 00:57:56,020 now they are being accused of criminal acts 709 00:57:56,021 --> 00:57:58,019 of sexual abuse against these children? 710 00:57:58,745 --> 00:58:03,189 Yes I am. And it causes me great pain. 711 00:58:04,382 --> 00:58:07,798 -And Father Lavin? -What does he have? 712 00:58:07,928 --> 00:58:11,977 I knew that the police Did you also have evidence against him? 713 00:58:12,315 --> 00:58:16,172 You're lying, bastard. You're lying with a clean face! 714 00:58:16,173 --> 00:58:19,273 You are a disgrace, monsignor. Why don't you tell them the truth? 715 00:58:19,371 --> 00:58:21,568 Come on, we're waiting. Tell the truth. 716 00:58:21,668 --> 00:58:23,459 Go to hell, monsignor. 717 00:58:23,557 --> 00:58:26,756 Like all your priests. Go to hell. 718 00:58:29,124 --> 00:58:30,950 If there are more interruptions 719 00:58:30,951 --> 00:58:33,352 I will close this event to the public. 720 00:58:34,673 --> 00:58:36,832 Proceed, counselor. 721 00:58:36,968 --> 00:58:39,261 Now, back to Father Lavin. 722 00:58:39,393 --> 00:58:44,433 -Did he also manage to escape? -I wouldn't talk that way. 723 00:58:44,462 --> 00:58:45,700 Wasn't that part of the deal? 724 00:58:45,737 --> 00:58:48,530 After all 1 million dollars were at stake. 725 00:58:48,860 --> 00:58:52,065 There was no agreement, I can say it. 726 00:58:52,099 --> 00:58:56,514 Father Lavin needed a deserved rest. Just that. 727 00:58:56,948 --> 00:59:02,123 And that was true for the other priests, they were just following instructions. 728 00:59:02,555 --> 00:59:05,283 Whose were they following instructions? 729 00:59:05,412 --> 00:59:08,813 By Jerome Ward. 730 00:59:09,146 --> 00:59:12,233 The interim of Ministry of Justice. 731 00:59:12,263 --> 00:59:16,564 - who died five years ago. -Unfortunately. 732 00:59:16,694 --> 00:59:21,027 -And you haven't spoken to anyone else? -No, I didn't speak. 733 00:59:21,158 --> 00:59:23,059 Then the guy died Isn't that right, Leonora? 734 00:59:23,060 --> 00:59:24,961 Good friend It seems that way, doesn't it? 735 00:59:25,063 --> 00:59:27,558 Because he was the only one in the government Who was involved in this? 736 00:59:27,852 --> 00:59:29,422 and no one else in the government. 737 00:59:29,625 --> 00:59:31,924 Nobody remembers someone meet up sometime 738 00:59:31,925 --> 00:59:34,623 so that these people can remember something 739 00:59:34,944 --> 00:59:37,635 they need the interim of the Minister of Justice, 740 00:59:37,737 --> 00:59:40,834 the deceased, our great Jerome Ward. 741 00:59:40,968 --> 00:59:42,941 My dear, If the deceased could speak. 742 00:59:43,042 --> 00:59:44,441 Isn't it the same? 743 00:59:44,464 --> 00:59:45,896 What a story it would tell. 744 00:59:45,999 --> 00:59:48,597 Well now I have to Hang up, friend. 745 00:59:48,622 --> 00:59:51,560 Forward. Line 2 is in the air. 746 00:59:51,595 --> 00:59:54,964 Who are you going to call now, Leonora? That's what I wanted to know. 747 00:59:54,994 --> 00:59:57,378 Well I think you should call the ghost hunters. 748 00:59:57,379 --> 00:59:59,278 What do you think about that? 749 00:59:59,511 --> 01:00:02,042 ROOM 2, COURT 750 01:00:04,975 --> 01:00:07,374 Look, you don't have to fear. 751 01:00:08,813 --> 01:00:12,419 I will make you some questions and nothing more. 752 01:00:21,094 --> 01:00:25,546 -Where do you live now, Steven? - In Toronto. 753 01:00:25,776 --> 01:00:28,187 Are you employed? What do you work on? 754 01:00:28,385 --> 01:00:29,651 I'm looking for a job. 755 01:00:29,686 --> 01:00:31,887 That's what I did before coming here. 756 01:00:33,266 --> 01:00:37,102 Do you live on insurance, Steven? And this is how you have lived in recent years? 757 01:00:37,103 --> 01:00:38,902 Yes, right now, but... 758 01:00:39,234 --> 01:00:42,124 Well, what could I do? I have to eat, right? 759 01:00:43,050 --> 01:00:45,441 Just answer, Steven. 760 01:00:45,568 --> 01:00:50,760 -Do you have a criminal record? -Yes, for a few things. 761 01:00:54,510 --> 01:00:58,594 Invasion, assault, possession of illegal drugs. 762 01:00:58,629 --> 01:01:02,674 Drunkenness. These are not little things, Mr. Lunny. 763 01:01:09,238 --> 01:01:13,571 Are you a prostitute, Steven? 764 01:01:14,812 --> 01:01:18,403 Because I'm seeing it here in his record, four arrests for prostitution. 765 01:01:18,531 --> 01:01:20,063 Objection, Your Excellency. 766 01:01:20,064 --> 01:01:22,559 It's okay, I will withdraw the question. 767 01:01:23,289 --> 01:01:25,372 Steve... 768 01:01:25,502 --> 01:01:31,816 you stayed in the orphanage for Let's see... six years, right? 769 01:01:32,345 --> 01:01:33,935 I don't know. 770 01:01:34,135 --> 01:01:36,334 I will ask otherwise. 771 01:01:36,566 --> 01:01:39,969 The records show that you I left the orphanage at 16, 772 01:01:40,070 --> 01:01:41,770 - Is it correct? -Yeah. 773 01:01:42,197 --> 01:01:43,893 Excellent. 774 01:01:44,031 --> 01:01:47,681 When you were 15 years old or 16... 775 01:01:47,710 --> 01:01:52,043 remembers a boy called Alfred Langston? 776 01:01:55,473 --> 01:01:57,049 I don't know. 777 01:01:57,084 --> 01:01:59,592 And Joseph Cowlen? 778 01:02:03,768 --> 01:02:06,126 Jeremy O'Toole? 779 01:02:08,433 --> 01:02:10,958 Sure, let me refresh your memory. 780 01:02:11,091 --> 01:02:16,588 You were 15 They were between 6 and 8 years old. 781 01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:18,268 You were already older, 782 01:02:18,367 --> 01:02:21,267 they were half your weight and they reached your waist. 783 01:02:21,394 --> 01:02:25,225 - Does that help you, Mr. Lunny? -No, this is not true. 784 01:02:25,356 --> 01:02:29,405 You forced them to have sex sex in front of you, Steven. 785 01:02:29,627 --> 01:02:31,139 Do you remember? 786 01:02:31,366 --> 01:02:34,079 On the bathroom stairs. Has that been erased from your memory? 787 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,678 Or behind the fire escape. 788 01:02:37,609 --> 01:02:40,048 You are accusing my client of sexual abuse, Steven, 789 01:02:40,153 --> 01:02:42,247 when you know that you are the criminal. 790 01:02:42,249 --> 01:02:43,646 And I have witnesses for try it. 791 01:02:43,783 --> 01:02:48,000 You lie, Steven. And I can prove it. 792 01:02:48,137 --> 01:02:52,016 15 years ago you told the police that he Father Glackin had never touched you. 793 01:02:52,052 --> 01:02:54,406 That was a lie or are you lying now? 794 01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:59,622 Tell us, maybe you are the one liar Does it answer the question? 795 01:02:59,762 --> 01:03:02,201 Your Excellency, we can have a short break, please? 796 01:03:02,202 --> 01:03:03,600 All good. 797 01:03:03,604 --> 01:03:06,136 -Fifteen minutes. -Listen, I... 798 01:03:26,338 --> 01:03:29,432 Legal procedures It was a chaotic day today 799 01:03:29,734 --> 01:03:31,135 at trial by Father James Glackin 800 01:03:31,553 --> 01:03:34,621 when a former boarding school was accused of sexual abuse 801 01:03:34,622 --> 01:03:36,622 against younger children in the orphanage. 802 01:03:36,850 --> 01:03:39,732 The fact is that the young man has a long criminal history 803 01:03:39,733 --> 01:03:41,931 including conviction for prostitution 804 01:03:42,154 --> 01:03:44,131 and also for drug possession. 805 01:03:44,162 --> 01:03:48,166 It is expected that the trial of Father Glackin finishes tomorrow. 806 01:03:48,189 --> 01:03:50,515 God, what a circus. 807 01:03:51,048 --> 01:03:52,690 Why don't you go see it, Kevin? 808 01:03:52,791 --> 01:03:55,791 You probably need now from a friend 809 01:03:56,627 --> 01:04:00,011 Now you're going to start telling me What should I do, right? 810 01:04:01,365 --> 01:04:04,198 I didn't mean that, it's just... 811 01:04:04,332 --> 01:04:07,070 Well, how would you feel? If they said that about you? 812 01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:09,869 Are you wanting now Give me ethics classes? 813 01:04:09,998 --> 01:04:12,752 He was always a bit of a bastard. 814 01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,780 Come on, Kevin. I'm just trying to help. 815 01:04:15,781 --> 01:04:17,182 Don't stop me from doing this. 816 01:04:17,210 --> 01:04:19,921 They don't stop you from doing what? 817 01:04:21,147 --> 01:04:22,889 I don't care what you say. 818 01:04:22,890 --> 01:04:26,886 At least he went there and tried. Do something about it. 819 01:04:27,414 --> 01:04:29,265 I think you should go too, Kevin. 820 01:04:29,266 --> 01:04:32,263 You know, you can't let those criminals come out just like that. 821 01:04:33,391 --> 01:04:35,746 Not after what they did to you. 822 01:04:37,193 --> 01:04:39,882 What do you know about what did they do to me? 823 01:04:46,439 --> 01:04:50,266 I don't care what they have done to you... 824 01:04:51,299 --> 01:04:54,058 I care what you you are doing now. 825 01:04:54,085 --> 01:04:57,079 -Listen, Sheilah. -No, you listen. 826 01:04:57,111 --> 01:05:01,219 This is killing you Kevin. Look at yourself. 827 01:05:01,545 --> 01:05:05,099 You know how you wake up at night. 828 01:05:05,138 --> 01:05:07,646 You punched that guy at the bar. 829 01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:15,058 you get scared when we are having sex. 830 01:05:15,284 --> 01:05:17,601 Come on, Kevin. You know it's true. 831 01:05:17,834 --> 01:05:21,878 -I don't think you like that. -I'm warning you, Sheilah. 832 01:05:22,871 --> 01:05:26,070 What? Are you warning me? 833 01:05:26,205 --> 01:05:29,428 What, Kevin? What are you going to do? 834 01:05:29,562 --> 01:05:31,013 You will hit me because am I trying to help you? 835 01:05:31,014 --> 01:05:32,710 Leave me alone, okay? 836 01:05:33,447 --> 01:05:34,879 I'm not going to leave you alone. 837 01:05:34,981 --> 01:05:37,479 Sheilah, it's no use loving understand what this means. 838 01:05:37,513 --> 01:05:39,016 Oh my God, this isn't fair. 839 01:05:40,128 --> 01:05:42,110 Fair? 840 01:05:43,156 --> 01:05:48,731 Who spoke of justice? I know well what it means. 841 01:05:48,859 --> 01:05:51,373 It's just that after of all these years, 842 01:05:51,475 --> 01:05:53,674 just when I want leave all that behind, 843 01:05:53,675 --> 01:05:55,072 Should I be smiling? 844 01:05:55,700 --> 01:05:58,744 Go on television and say: Ah yes, I'm the boy 845 01:05:58,745 --> 01:06:00,648 who used to abuse me, and kiss my neck, 846 01:06:00,649 --> 01:06:02,150 and he dragged me to his room. 847 01:06:02,380 --> 01:06:03,902 put me on your lap, while he puts his hand 848 01:06:03,903 --> 01:06:06,304 on my legs and moan. 849 01:06:08,198 --> 01:06:10,812 Do you want to know something else? 850 01:06:11,812 --> 01:06:13,516 No. 851 01:06:35,399 --> 01:06:39,641 Isn't it ironic that this day where the city is shocked 852 01:06:39,642 --> 01:06:42,040 with tragic death by young Steven Lunny... 853 01:06:42,272 --> 01:06:44,356 who died of an overdose... 854 01:06:44,489 --> 01:06:48,382 and on this same day the jury give the verdict of innocent 855 01:06:48,383 --> 01:06:52,182 eight counts of sexual abuse and indecent exposure 856 01:06:52,212 --> 01:06:56,058 against Father James Glackin, this man who tortured 857 01:06:56,059 --> 01:06:59,554 poor Steven when he was a child in the orphanage? 858 01:07:01,073 --> 01:07:04,097 You can speak, line 4, you are in the air. 859 01:07:04,389 --> 01:07:07,056 What are we looking at? 860 01:07:07,385 --> 01:07:09,439 We look at the photo. 861 01:07:09,576 --> 01:07:14,365 On the blackboard. We look at the photo. 862 01:07:15,003 --> 01:07:19,280 -Repeat. -We look at the painting. 863 01:07:24,030 --> 01:07:27,131 Forward. Don't be ashamed. 864 01:07:27,260 --> 01:07:29,629 What is that? You can say. 865 01:07:29,967 --> 01:07:31,606 To The... 866 01:07:35,446 --> 01:07:41,095 I'll be back. Do what is on the board. 867 01:07:57,542 --> 01:07:59,150 What happened? 868 01:08:01,041 --> 01:08:03,079 What happened? 869 01:08:04,235 --> 01:08:07,532 -Steven died. -Oh my God. 870 01:08:31,468 --> 01:08:33,984 We are gathered here to say goodbye 871 01:08:34,185 --> 01:08:36,788 for our brother in Christ, Steven Lunny. 872 01:08:37,217 --> 01:08:40,429 Pray the Lord's prayer with me. 873 01:08:40,761 --> 01:08:44,882 Our Father who art in heaven Hallowed be your name 874 01:08:44,908 --> 01:08:46,540 Come with us your kingdom 875 01:08:46,641 --> 01:08:51,045 Thy will be done On earth as in heaven 876 01:08:51,382 --> 01:08:52,991 Our daily bread 877 01:08:53,018 --> 01:08:55,549 Forgive our trespasses 878 01:08:56,079 --> 01:08:58,030 Just as we forgive to whoever has offended us 879 01:08:58,368 --> 01:09:01,651 Do not let us fall into temptation But deliver us from all evil 880 01:09:01,849 --> 01:09:04,051 Because the Lord is king 881 01:09:04,252 --> 01:09:07,653 Power and glory, forever. Amen. 882 01:09:09,005 --> 01:09:12,490 Lord, receive the soul of Steven Lunny 883 01:09:12,826 --> 01:09:14,614 And take him to the presence of God 884 01:09:15,114 --> 01:09:17,215 And eternal life for him, The Lord 885 01:09:18,095 --> 01:09:21,115 And may its light always illuminate you. Amen. 886 01:09:53,353 --> 01:09:57,462 -I'm fine. -Come come. 887 01:09:57.662 --> 01:09:59.362 I help you. 888 01:09:59,472 --> 01:10:01,827 Now I have to go Go to sleep, guys. 889 01:10:01,864 --> 01:10:04,349 You have always what your wife says. 890 01:10:04,374 --> 01:10:07,622 That's the secret. The secret of life, isn't it, Sheilah? 891 01:10:09,128 --> 01:10:12,545 What always does what she says, right? 892 01:10:14,799 --> 01:10:17,340 I'm almost done. 893 01:10:17,468 --> 01:10:19,957 But you have You have to set an example, right? 894 01:10:19,958 --> 01:10:21,960 -Yeah. -Very good. 895 01:10:22,397 --> 01:10:24,642 But first I have to say something here 896 01:10:25,043 --> 01:10:27,343 for my great friend Kevin. 897 01:10:27,475 --> 01:10:29,343 How is he, huh? 898 01:10:29,877 --> 01:10:31,636 Listen... 899 01:10:31,975 --> 01:10:34,262 Don't do that. 900 01:10:35,313 --> 01:10:37,879 Don't go that way. 901 01:10:40,025 --> 01:10:43,477 Look what this did to Steven. 902 01:10:43,915 --> 01:10:46,654 Maybe this it wouldn't have happened 903 01:10:46,754 --> 01:10:50,955 If they had left him alone, where I was, in Toronto. 904 01:10:52,174 --> 01:10:54,294 I was there, man. 905 01:10:55,096 --> 01:11:00,203 I saw what they They ended up doing with him. 906 01:11:01,652 --> 01:11:06,763 They told the whole world everything, everything he did. 907 01:11:09,897 --> 01:11:14,271 Tell us which one it was your position in 1975? 908 01:11:14,275 --> 01:11:16,674 I was minister of justice at that time. 909 01:11:16,911 --> 01:11:21,204 Did you know about the investigation of the police inside the San Vicente orphanage? 910 01:11:21,234 --> 01:11:24,322 No, I never knew about that. 911 01:11:24,652 --> 01:11:27,206 Your department gave orders to the police chief 912 01:11:27,207 --> 01:11:30,012 to finish the investigation. Did you know about that? 913 01:11:30,043 --> 01:11:32,182 I was never informed. 914 01:11:36,363 --> 01:11:39,897 People assume that the minister should know... 915 01:11:40,134 --> 01:11:44,110 about such a serious case like this? 916 01:11:44,540 --> 01:11:47,640 It's because they don't know how the government works. 917 01:11:49,850 --> 01:11:52,957 I talked about this problem in your cabinet? 918 01:11:53,289 --> 01:11:58,354 You know perfectly well that I cannot say what is discussed in the cabinet. 919 01:11:58,692 --> 01:12:01,974 I can only repeat, I didn't know anything. 920 01:12:02,104 --> 01:12:03,930 Of course. 921 01:12:10,438 --> 01:12:13,018 Hello, dad is here. 922 01:12:17,791 --> 01:12:19,617 Chantal? 923 01:12:20,350 --> 01:12:22,073 I'm up. 924 01:12:31,444 --> 01:12:34,449 What happened? 925 01:12:34,775 --> 01:12:37,572 I had to take out the school children, Peter. 926 01:12:38,406 --> 01:12:41,587 I don't want them to get involved in this whole story. 927 01:12:44,156 --> 01:12:45,887 What are you talking about? 928 01:12:46,186 --> 01:12:47,684 I took them to my mom's house. 929 01:12:51,395 --> 01:12:55,183 I don't love my children Far away from me, Chantal. 930 01:12:55,416 --> 01:12:58,022 Well, they can't stay here. 931 01:12:58,256 --> 01:13:02,235 You have to go back there I will go with you. 932 01:13:03,740 --> 01:13:07,205 -By no means. -Yes, I'm going. 933 01:13:07,432 --> 01:13:10,041 -You're not going. -I'm coming. 934 01:13:10,177 --> 01:13:14,005 Chantal, you're not going with me and period. 935 01:13:14,767 --> 01:13:17,732 I have taken care of everything. 936 01:13:23,122 --> 01:13:25,861 I need to see it for myself. 937 01:13:33,416 --> 01:13:35,806 I would love to be with you 938 01:13:36,041 --> 01:13:38,638 but your place is here, with them. 939 01:13:38,773 --> 01:13:40,700 Peter, I will. 940 01:13:40,925 --> 01:13:43,616 With or without you. 941 01:13:50,569 --> 01:13:53,779 You already know. 942 01:13:54,114 --> 01:13:57,448 In the good and the bad moments, remember? 943 01:14:25,051 --> 01:14:27,007 Let's go to sleep. 944 01:14:30,189 --> 01:14:32,254 Soon. 945 01:14:35,933 --> 01:14:38,326 I was thinking about Lavin. 946 01:14:41,297 --> 01:14:44,032 How afraid I was of him. 947 01:14:46,749 --> 01:14:48,662 Why? 948 01:14:48,897 --> 01:14:52,297 I was thinking about be able to face it. 949 01:14:55,058 --> 01:14:56,799 Now listen! 950 01:14:59,398 --> 01:15:02,638 Maybe I'm still afraid of him. 951 01:15:05,571 --> 01:15:07,056 Why? 952 01:15:07,057 --> 01:15:09,862 please father No, don't hit me. 953 01:15:09,991 --> 01:15:13,838 I'll do whatever I want, mom. Please... 954 01:15:24,049 --> 01:15:28,002 We spent some time time together, right? 955 01:15:28,330 --> 01:15:31,364 Can you tell me what you think of me? now? 956 01:15:37,288 --> 01:15:40,164 I think I trust you. 957 01:15:50,449 --> 01:15:53,138 But I'm afraid of you. 958 01:15:53,375 --> 01:15:55,655 But in what way? 959 01:15:55,785 --> 01:15:58,358 I'm afraid of myself. 960 01:16:15,021 --> 01:16:17,517 -Peter... -Alone. 961 01:16:25,886 --> 01:16:29,000 Be alone. 962 01:16:29,128 --> 01:16:32,046 Do you want to hold my hand? 963 01:16:35,470 --> 01:16:38,811 Do you want me to hug you, Peter? 964 01:16:38,939 --> 01:16:41,186 -Can you look at me? -Don't hurt me. 965 01:16:41,221 --> 01:16:43,793 I promise, I promise. 966 01:16:45,408 --> 01:16:48,071 It won't hurt you. 967 01:16:54,246 --> 01:16:58,322 There is one thing that can do for you. 968 01:16:58,324 --> 01:16:59,729 All good. 969 01:17:00,271 --> 01:17:02,514 Now you are a man... 970 01:17:02,647 --> 01:17:06,692 an adult, You are a grown and strong man. 971 01:17:07,833 --> 01:17:10,403 You can go within yourself. 972 01:17:11,776 --> 01:17:16,745 Find that child that you were... 973 01:17:18,048 --> 01:17:22,124 that he was waiting for someone. 974 01:17:31,438 --> 01:17:36,608 And you will take That waits a lifetime. 975 01:17:38,107 --> 01:17:39,911 Yeah. 976 01:17:53,182 --> 01:17:55,992 should find us here somewhere. 977 01:17:56,028 --> 01:17:56,989 Hello, are you there? 978 01:17:57,361 --> 01:18:00,570 Peter. How nice to see you again. 979 01:18:00,700 --> 01:18:04,532 How good to see you. George Stoney This is Chantal. 980 01:18:05,582 --> 01:18:07,856 Now we can go. Come. 981 01:18:10,675 --> 01:18:13,460 Hail Mary, full of grace The lord is with you 982 01:18:13,593 --> 01:18:15,033 Blessed are you among women, 983 01:18:15,536 --> 01:18:18,639 blessed is the fruit from your womb, Jesus! 984 01:18:19,058 --> 01:18:22,327 Holy Mary mother of God, pray for us sinners, 985 01:18:22,328 --> 01:18:23,828 now and at the time of our death. Amen! 986 01:18:23,955 --> 01:18:25,278 Peter... 987 01:18:25,279 --> 01:18:27,583 Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you 988 01:18:28,084 --> 01:18:30,087 Bless you among women, 989 01:18:30,185 --> 01:18:32,285 blessed is the fruit from your womb, Jesus! 990 01:18:33,295 --> 01:18:35,424 Please... 991 01:18:37,798 --> 01:18:39,463 Please... 992 01:18:51,534 --> 01:18:53,940 Tell me... 993 01:18:54,075 --> 01:18:58,292 What kind of things am I going to do? hear in court tomorrow? 994 01:19:08,977 --> 01:19:10,972 Peter... 995 01:19:12,523 --> 01:19:15,963 I think I can understand. 996 01:19:23,671 --> 01:19:27,747 I think I can forgive you. 997 01:19:31,558 --> 01:19:37,193 But you'll have to tell me what did you do? 998 01:20:17,885 --> 01:20:20,593 -Say your name, please. -Kevin Reevey. 999 01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:24,163 You swear that the testimony that will give in this court will be the truth, 1000 01:20:24,164 --> 01:20:27,466 only the truth and nothing more than than the truth, in the name of God? 1001 01:20:27,700 --> 01:20:29,506 I swear. 1002 01:20:32,324 --> 01:20:36,899 I have here a statement of the witness, I would like you to look. 1003 01:20:38,669 --> 01:20:41,101 The signature at the end, Mr. Reevey. 1004 01:20:41,599 --> 01:20:43,900 I ask you now: This is his signature, 1005 01:20:43,901 --> 01:20:45,398 made with your own hands? 1006 01:20:45,931 --> 01:20:47,510 That's right. 1007 01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,081 If you can see at the beginning of the document, Sir. 1008 01:20:50,314 --> 01:20:52,334 I would like to do some questions 1009 01:20:52,335 --> 01:20:54,542 referring to this testimony. 1010 01:20:55,066 --> 01:20:59,112 �Remember saying that to the Detective Noseworthy? 1011 01:20:59,113 --> 01:21:00,313 Yes, I remember it. 1012 01:21:00,748 --> 01:21:05,125 �Be prepared to tell This court, what did they do to you? 1013 01:21:06,593 --> 01:21:08,912 -I am -Excellent. 1014 01:21:09,340 --> 01:21:12,880 I'll give you a break so you can read the statement. 1015 01:21:18,944 --> 01:21:21,403 I would like to start the night December 7th... 1016 01:21:21,533 --> 01:21:26,162 It was the night you escaped from the orphanage and then returned by the police. 1017 01:21:26,286 --> 01:21:30,453 -Do you remember that incident? -Yes, I remember it. 1018 01:21:30,588 --> 01:21:35,168 And when the police brought you back, to whom they handed you over 1019 01:21:35,303 --> 01:21:36,848 To Father Lavin. 1020 01:21:36,973 --> 01:21:40,345 "You can tell that court what happened next? 1021 01:21:47,305 --> 01:21:50,412 he told me to come into his office. 1022 01:21:51,455 --> 01:21:53,277 And I did what he he sent me while 1023 01:21:53,278 --> 01:21:56,581 he spoke friendly with the police. 1024 01:21:57,507 --> 01:22:00,380 I was waiting inside. 1025 01:22:00,511 --> 01:22:03,301 He went in and closed the door. 1026 01:22:05,353 --> 01:22:09,286 Then he told me why I would sit on his lap. 1027 01:22:09,611 --> 01:22:12,646 As he always did. 1028 01:22:15,209 --> 01:22:17,533 What happened next? 1029 01:22:20,797 --> 01:22:24,838 I take off my shirt and started kissing 1030 01:22:24,839 --> 01:22:26,842 my neck and my shoulders. 1031 01:22:29,809 --> 01:22:32,933 She said she was my mother. 1032 01:22:33,064 --> 01:22:37,902 I told her she wasn't my mother and that my mother was dead. 1033 01:22:38,996 --> 01:22:42,229 And then it hit me. 1034 01:22:52,516 --> 01:22:56,271 Mr. Reevey, our records show that you had 1035 01:22:56,272 --> 01:22:59,473 ten years when it happened this incident. Is that correct? 1036 01:22:59,604 --> 01:23:01,038 Yeah. 1037 01:23:01,699 --> 01:23:04,195 The man who did that to you, 1038 01:23:04,394 --> 01:23:06,795 that man is here in court today? 1039 01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:09,491 Yeah. 1040 01:23:09,630 --> 01:23:12,796 Could you point it out? to court please? 1041 01:23:18,307 --> 01:23:23,550 Let it be recorded that the witness identified the accused. 1042 01:23:24,864 --> 01:23:28,393 Very good. That was not the first time you were approached 1043 01:23:28,394 --> 01:23:30,496 sexually for Father Lavin, isn't he? 1044 01:23:30,763 --> 01:23:35,684 No, I was his child. 1045 01:23:36,426 --> 01:23:39,171 When did it start? 1046 01:23:39,300 --> 01:23:42,735 Shortly after that I got there. 1047 01:23:44,347 --> 01:23:47,121 Do you remember the first time? 1048 01:23:47,122 --> 01:23:48,523 Yeah. 1049 01:23:50,321 --> 01:23:53,990 Could you tell us about it please? 1050 01:23:54,126 --> 01:23:57,574 The first time was in the pool. 1051 01:23:57,710 --> 01:24:00,591 Do you remember how it started? 1052 01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:06,128 It was Easter. 1053 01:24:06,264 --> 01:24:09,182 Everyone else had gone on a trip. 1054 01:24:09,415 --> 01:24:12,594 So I went to tell him that I couldn't go anywhere. 1055 01:24:12,595 --> 01:24:14,096 Because I was alone. 1056 01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:19,688 I asked myself why I didn't have uncles or aunts 1057 01:24:19,891 --> 01:24:22,292 to visit me or Will you take me for a walk? 1058 01:24:22,623 --> 01:24:27,052 You know, I remembered of my parents and their funeral. 1059 01:24:27,053 --> 01:24:28,455 I knew it was time. 1060 01:24:29,881 --> 01:24:33,467 But I had to think that he had a family. 1061 01:24:37,646 --> 01:24:41,357 And I went to see Father Lavin. 1062 01:24:42,532 --> 01:24:45,451 He was kind to me after that. 1063 01:24:48,039 --> 01:24:50,581 We went swimming. 1064 01:24:53,896 --> 01:24:56,349 we were alone in the pool, and... 1065 01:24:56,650 --> 01:24:59,051 I remember that people has a lot of fun. 1066 01:24:59,688 --> 01:25:02,486 He picks me up and throws me into the water. 1067 01:25:05,939 --> 01:25:08,889 Suddenly he began to hug me 1068 01:25:08,890 --> 01:25:10,390 and press against him. 1069 01:25:15,502 --> 01:25:18,674 Then I took off my swimsuit. 1070 01:25:21,053 --> 01:25:24,010 And then he took his off too. 1071 01:25:26,397 --> 01:25:29,899 And I pressed against him. 1072 01:25:31,237 --> 01:25:33,483 And what did he do next? 1073 01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:38,535 I kept pressing against him. 1074 01:25:42,128 --> 01:25:44,969 I felt that he I was excited. 1075 01:25:49,394 --> 01:25:53,526 And tried to force her penis inside me. 1076 01:26:01,038 --> 01:26:04,324 I remember that I cried a lot because that hurts. 1077 01:26:10,347 --> 01:26:13,595 He did it for a long time. 1078 01:26:14,983 --> 01:26:19,686 I was moaning and murmuring, and finally stopped. 1079 01:26:23,824 --> 01:26:26,609 And after this I became his boy... 1080 01:26:28,745 --> 01:26:32,415 he always called me to your room. 1081 01:26:48,820 --> 01:26:50,530 There it is. 1082 01:27:32,649 --> 01:27:35,316 Everything will be fine. 1083 01:27:37,946 --> 01:27:41,195 I would like to talk with my husband. 1084 01:27:41,328 --> 01:27:43,285 Of course yes. 1085 01:27:43,411 --> 01:27:45,489 I'll stay outside. 1086 01:28:02,071 --> 01:28:07,864 You didn't feel anything when did you hear that statement? 1087 01:28:07,996 --> 01:28:09,622 Yes, yes I felt. 1088 01:28:14,508 --> 01:28:19,009 I felt like I was a martyr all my life. 1089 01:28:19,140 --> 01:28:23,638 First for those miserable liars and now for you. 1090 01:28:25,818 --> 01:28:29,485 Don't you feel any guilt? 1091 01:28:29,619 --> 01:28:31,660 No shame? 1092 01:28:32,710 --> 01:28:35,373 Kevin Reevey... 1093 01:28:35,497 --> 01:28:40,839 I was a lonely child the one I loved from the bottom of my heart. 1094 01:28:47,724 --> 01:28:50,103 I loved him. 1095 01:28:50,235 --> 01:28:54,692 Did you love? You call that love? 1096 01:28:58,833 --> 01:29:00,575 Yes. 1097 01:29:00,710 --> 01:29:04,631 No, that's not love. 1098 01:29:04,757 --> 01:29:07,215 This is painful. 1099 01:29:08,217 --> 01:29:11,260 It hurts you too much that child 1100 01:29:12,268 --> 01:29:14,592 It could kill you. 1101 01:29:34,387 --> 01:29:37,519 I will ask you just once: 1102 01:29:38,410 --> 01:29:44,464 Have you ever abused our children? 1103 01:29:52,677 --> 01:29:56,632 Why don't you ask them yourself? They are your children. 1104 01:29:58,891 --> 01:30:00,719 It's right. 1105 01:30:02,358 --> 01:30:05,558 They are my children. 1106 01:30:11,827 --> 01:30:15,826 They are no longer your children.